Oregon writer, Rain Trueax, and Oregon painter, Diane Widler Wenzel co-author Rainy Day Thought. Diane generally posts on Wednesdays and Rain on Saturdays. There may be extra days or changes as situations warrant. Comments are always welcome and appreciated as it turns an article into a discussion.

Thursday, June 07, 2012

American division growing

The writer in this link takes the view that what we need to get anything done in this country is more moderate Republicans.

First of all dream on. Even the so-called moderate Republicans who I know, the ones who would support gay marriage, who don't believe in probes before abortions, who see value in helping the needy, who do they vote for? They vote for someone like Romney who claims to be moderate while he said he supports a federal ban on gay marriage, supports personhood bills which would make vaginal probes unnecessary as there'd be no abortions, isn't worried about the poor as they already have supports; then adds on his desire for tax cuts for those who already had them and no regulations on anything because everybody knows the corporations only care about the best for fairness and human life on this planet.

I know too many lefties who think like they did when they voted for Nader-- both men are the same. That's so ridiculous that it's hard to know where to start but let's look at Gore v Bush. Anybody really believe Gore would have put us into war with Iraq? How about cut taxes on the wealthiest Americans? Gut environmental regulations?

Frankly it's not just getting moderate Republicans elected in a time when the Republicans can only think of revenge and blocking Obama and they are electing Grover Norquist pledge types to do that, it's even getting Democrats to realize what is at stake.

To have any hope of turning this around to something healthier for the country, we need not only Obama as president but also control of the House and 60 real votes in the Senate. IF I keep hearing that ridiculous-- he had that control in 2008, I will scream. The House had it and passed a lot of legislation through its body, but the Senate even with 60 votes had too many Democrats in Name Only types. They would not vote for single payer or a better Stimulus plan. They pretty well managed to make what they did vote for worthless. Many of them are now gone being replaced with extreme Republicans.

Obama has to govern in the real world. He has to operate in foreign affairs with things as they are. He cannot deal with a dream of some idyllic future where we all sing Kumbaya and sit around thinking what can we do to make this world a better place. Not happening not in a time of greed and viciousness.

So Democrats, we must see what happened in Wisconsin as a good warning to us. Obama can lose. Romney can not only win, lies or not, and he could end up with the House and Senate under the thumb of those like Norquist. If that doesn't inspire Democrats to work for our own beliefs, we don't deserve the country we were born into!


Hattie said...

Only solidarity will get us through this.

OldLady Of The Hills said...

I sgree, but I don't see how it can be done, I'm sorry to say.....I don't know hoe you reach the Democrats.....They seem to not be "in touch", at all!

joared said...

How to get the Demos to vote is a challenge. Difficult to know just how motivated they'll be come Nov. Non-partisans and Independents may be more inclined to vote for Obama -- their numbers are increasing from those leaving the Repub. and Demo. Parties.

Hattie said...

Humph! I'm a liberal, and I wish I Were out of touch. I wouldn't mind living in some sort of fools' paradise!

Ingineer66 said...

Part of the reason for the division can be explained by what is going on in California. A couple of Stanford Professors had a piece in the Wall Street Journal this week. Here is the tag line:

From the mid-1980s to 2005, California's population grew by 10 million, while Medicaid recipients soared by seven million; tax filers paying income taxes rose by just 150,000; and the prison population swelled by 115,000.

So many business people have left the state because of the high taxes and repressive regulations that we have a 10 million person population growth but only 150,000 more taxpayers. And the governor and Democrats in the Capitol think the answer is to tax the "rich" more and spend more money. The "rich" are moving out of this state by the thousands. Go to Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Utah, Texas or North Carolina and see how many ex Californians are there. It is astonishing.

Rain Trueax said...

Yeah, they retire in Oregon too but then want all the services they once had. Nevada has its own set of problems with loss of property values etc. Lots of empty houses in Vegas. Taxes and regulations explain part of it but part is explained by a system that rewards the wrong behavior-- and by that I mean corporate not the impoverished..

Rain Trueax said...

It was particularly interesting when they did a poll and found a lot of Republican people would not favor any help for the needy. So they'd let them starve? I am not sure what they think would happen. Maybe like when they said tax cuts would bring in more revenue. Magical thinking.

I am not saying that some unions have not abused their power and gained pensions beyond reason that had nothing to do with whether the money was there to support them. They were based on the stock market always staying flush. Some in Oregon retired after 20 years on full wages. Ordinary workers certainly could not do that from any corporation I know of. Things like that will have to be worked out as how do you pay for something if the money isn't there? A lot of states cannot borrow even if they wanted to do so.