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Saturday, August 17, 2024

Do citizens want socialism as their government?


Let's start with defining socialism as I think some don't get its full meaning. Here it is from the dictionary: 

a system of society or group living in which there is no private property,

a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.
I believe that socialism starts one way, which might seem innocuous but what do the people behind those beginning steps truly want? Step by steps freedoms can be lost for free speech or many other things.
 
As soon as someone says socialism, some bring up libraries. Clearly that's not socialism but instead social programs that citizens want to pay to benefit all. Government does not dictate what can be in a library-- or it has not...

Another socialist argument is that Scandinavian countries are socialist. Not from all I've read, where they call themselves a socialist democracy and say they are a free market, capitalistic society, with loose regulations favoring corporations doing well. Check it out.
 
For those who want businesses and corporations run by government agencies, what do you think they know about producing products? We have seen how it works in our country when government dictates which businesses get their spoils, often determined these days by lobbyists, and who donated to the powers that be.
 
Most politicians will not admit they want to turn this country socialistic (with some exceptions) as Americans have valued freedom and been leery of too much control in the hands of a powerful government. Or, that was at one time true, like when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written by those with experience. Is it still true today, or might Americans value what they see as comfort and security as more important?
 
Once we elect someone, it's hard to turn things around if they have been lying or only saying what they believe people want to hear. 
 
In the case of the various candidates, we can look at the record especially of the Vice Presidential candidate, since he was a governor. We have the words of the Presidential candidate, from earlier discussions. How many look? With the ex-president, we can look at his record when he was in office. 
 
We might or might not like what that was; but if we check, not just listen to more rhetoric from enemies, we have some chance to see the results. These days, it pays to check records more than one place as lies are flying from all sides.
 
My real question is how many Americans want socialism without understanding it might be on the road to less personal autonomy? Socialism grows and usually it takes totalitarianism to enforce the less popular rules.

Do people today vote issues or is it all personalities, with one nicer and the other not so much?

Are Americans interested in choosing leaders based on DEI (diversity, equity, and inclusion)? I've heard that is racism where it comes to the Presidential candidate. If so, it's what the current President said he was using to make his pick -- woman and black.

If Americans were to look at issues, which ones would they care about? More on that to come although not next time. I have something from our desert home to share next Saturday. I can't do politics constantly as I need breaks and don't want to make it feel like pressure here. I don't feel that way at all, even though I know some on either side do feel that way for those who do not vote as they believe is correct.
 
We all need to vote our conscience, but I just want to be sure voters are thinking what is best for them and the country. Do not be fooled by rhetoric as they all know how to use it.
 

 

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Rain like you I have thought and researched long and hard what will happen to this country by the choices we make in this election. There will be vast differences depending on that choice. My main concern is the agenda by those that back one candidate and that agenda is far reaching and will have devastating and lasting effects especially to women. Women have worked long and hard to fight for our rights including the right to vote, the right to control our own finances, and to make our own Healthcare decisions. We all have to decide what is best for our needs but we really have to consider what our decision is going to do and the effect it will have on our kids and grandkids and future generations.

Rain Trueax said...

i understand that way of thinking as I grew up when abortion was illegal and not good for what happened to women's bodies if they found the wrong help. But that has gotten women to vote one way for many years. There are other issues that impact quality of life. I think we have to weigh them. I understand many women will not and do get it.

Anonymous said...

If a person has bothered to learn from the history of the world, especially the 20th century, the GOP candidate should scare them to death. Their project 25 is clearly right out of the Nazi playbook! Women, minorities, anyone taking care of the elderly or disabled, LGBTQ and others deemed 'abnormal' would be at particular risk. I, personally, prefer the candidates that are working with the minorities listed above. We've all been listening to the rambling nonsense from the former president who has been rambling on about, well, mostly himself and really no ideas to help anyone but himself. It's quite sad to see the once GRAND OLD PARTY coming apart at the seams and supporting this pitiful excuse of a man. Thanks, Rain, for allowing WE THE PEOPLE to use your forum.

Anonymous said...

I grew up when the leader of our country didn't make up nicknames for people they didn't like, didn't mock people and were caring about the Veterans and the elderly and any other group that has been recently attacked. I don't have one ounce of respect for our Former President. It started before he was not the President. It started with one of his earliest speeches when he mocked a handicapped person on stage. From then on I knew he was not fit for the job of running our country.

Rain Trueax said...

So, you vote personalities, as much as you know about them (in other words,, a lot is hidden)? For issues, you vote abortion and women's issues, but do you have other ones you care about, like war, economy, energy, trade, crime, immigration, etc.

Greybeard said...

Anyone saying that "Project 25" is a republican platform is drinking too much Kool Aid and needs to do more research. (And this is what scares me most about the upcoming election. Too many lies are being told by our Socialist media and are being swallowed whole by voters.)
I'm a Viet Nam Veteran. I know I risked by life for a country that lied to me about how that war started. But I also know that the 58,000 warriors that lost their lives there did so trying to make the world a better, safer place.
(Walter Cronkite lost it for us. :( )
We are a compassionate country. We are throwing money at problems throughout the world trying to solve problems, and shysters have learned how to take advantage of us. We need to get back to basics:
Pull your own weight. If you can't pull your own weight, do the best you can.
Mind your own damn business.
Leave me alone. I'll do the same.

Rain Trueax said...

that is what i also believe about 2025 but the theory is a fact from democrats that it's Republican not a small group of radical Christianists.

Greybeard said...

How many have actually read the tenets of Project 2025? Few, I'd wager.
But if it calls for a reevaluation of leadership and goals in organizations like the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, and other government factions that have gotten corrupt, inefficient, and politically averse to a major portion of our population, I'm all FOR IT.
(On a drug investigation years ago two FBI agents came to my home for information. I asked them in and brewed a pot of coffee for them. If they came to my door today I would not allow them in without a search warrant.)
We still don't have answers about the JFK assassination. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
I think it's time for a shakeup.

Rain Trueax said...

I do not disagree with you, but it's been longer than recently that we've had a problem with what many call the deep state because it's not elected, can't be fired, and can only be charged but it never is. A good example is Randy Weaver and David Koresh for abuse of power. They could have arrested Koresh in town and saved the children they said they worried so much about that they ended up killed and maybe by Koresh but why put him in that position to do it. Some call them the Federal Department of Intimidation... They sure do intimidate but so do other federal agencies. Do Americans care though?

As for 2025, I have not read all 900 pages but don't like what I've seen in what I have read. I so not believe it is Trump behind it and do not personally want a theocracy.

Greybeard said...

Therefore my JFK reference.

Rain Trueax said...

i agree and they still don't think it's safe for us to know what part the CIA played in that