tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post197293800514650316..comments2024-03-26T15:30:39.733-07:00Comments on Rainy Day Thoughts: Fraud for a higher good?Rain Trueaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07994628226501093880noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-12034019463499440542010-10-30T03:25:57.653-07:002010-10-30T03:25:57.653-07:00Rain, I absolutely agree. My comment was simply to...Rain, I absolutely agree. My comment was simply to say that new research has made the earlier carbon dating invalid. I have an open mind about the whole thing and it doesn't matter to me whether the Shroud is 'real' or a fabrication. I've never thought that miracles are needed to prove that there is some kind of Divinity - life itself is miraculous enough and I'd rather look for the miracle in the ordinary than in a ghostly apparition.Natalie d'Arbeloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757081405040926647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-45775548589655894172010-10-24T10:58:41.716-07:002010-10-24T10:58:41.716-07:00Natalie, people will believe what they want to bel...Natalie, people will believe what they want to believe regarding the Shroud and mostly to suit what they already think. The issue of Jesus's authenticity does not rest on the Shroud to begin with. He could have been real and the shroud could have been faked just as OJ Simpson likely murdered his wife and the police did fake evidence. The issue with this wasn't about the date of the cloth which can be debated due to the possible fire making carbon dating impossible to use also the patches; but there was a lot more to the link regarding how it could have been made, the exactness of every symbol rather than how it might be with a 'real' body. It might well have been made during early Christianity which would make the cloth from that era given the techniques to do such were available back that far.<br /><br />If the whole point of Christ is to have to believe on faith, then the likelihood of any physical proof is about like many other things-- very questionable; but if someone likes to think it's real and magical, that's going to be what they believe. If they don't, likewise. <br /><br />I felt if it's real I wanted to know, as it would matter to me. if there was no way man could have created it, that I wanted to know and looked at a lot of links pro and con. There are people who have spent their life trying to prove it is real. I don't have an axe in this and was open either way. My current opinion is that it's somebody trying to make the faith of others stronger by creating a physical evidence-- which does not mean there wasn't a Jesus Christ who was resurrected and all the rest. What I don't like is when people fake evidence as it only muddies the water. But some maybe need that to feel good about their religion.Rain Trueaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994628226501093880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-19223907069374718262010-10-22T23:59:36.684-07:002010-10-22T23:59:36.684-07:00I think it's all fraud, even my religion... bu...I think it's all fraud, even my religion... but whatever gets you through the day without causing harm can't be a bad thing until the truth comes 'round.Mike McLarenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17881672365554137673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-91033428797780103232010-10-22T19:44:20.937-07:002010-10-22T19:44:20.937-07:00Rain, more recent scientific research has proved t...Rain, more recent scientific research has proved that the carbon dating was mistaken when it determined that the shroud was made in Medieval times. So that German researcher's information, whilst very interesting, is now out of date. The jury is still out on the whole Shroud question of what/when/where/why.<br />See this link:<br />http://www.shroudstory.com/Nataliehttp://www.nataliedarbeloff.com/blaugustine.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-2985791378770112402010-10-21T11:28:23.637-07:002010-10-21T11:28:23.637-07:00I have always thought that many bodies were execut...I have always thought that many bodies were executed in the manner of Christ and wrapped in a shroud. If the Shroud was from that period it is an interesting thing but not likely to be Christ's.<br />Love the photo of Montana!!!Diane Widler Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05270246393901276648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-88577667565730788682010-10-20T14:55:31.536-07:002010-10-20T14:55:31.536-07:00Forgive all the typing errors--I guess I am very t...Forgive all the typing errors--I guess I am very tired...(lol)!OldLady Of The Hillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02458879772193114892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-10824216152392710722010-10-20T14:54:46.073-07:002010-10-20T14:54:46.073-07:00Very interesting subject, Rain. I know almost noth...Very interesting subject, Rain. I know almost nothing about the Shroud Of Turin, not being Christian or Catholic--just what I have heard over the years. I will check out that link.<br /><br />That Photograph is BEAUTIFUL! I was able to make it bigger and than bogger again. To see these Antelope and the threatewning sky's...Gorgeous, bryond words.OldLady Of The Hillshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02458879772193114892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-40500483862343664272010-10-20T12:46:57.002-07:002010-10-20T12:46:57.002-07:00Shrouded in secrecy! We all have our cross to bear...Shrouded in secrecy! We all have our cross to bear and I want a shroud T-shirt!mandthttp://adgitadiaries.blog-city.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-35773657640595233322010-10-20T09:22:07.097-07:002010-10-20T09:22:07.097-07:00Breath-taking photo! I think it captures how spect...Breath-taking photo! I think it captures how spectacular Montana is. Good job!Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03787701515460812026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-17282662028752723542010-10-20T08:23:51.168-07:002010-10-20T08:23:51.168-07:00I've had an interest in the shroud for 30 year...I've had an interest in the shroud for 30 years...it is not authentic, but certainly stirs up heart-felt controversy. As with so many religious traditions, if the "thing" helps to bring the faithful to a state of grace, fine. But I prefer my grace to be reality-based.Taradharmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665801586196931603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-39908102841520673272010-10-20T07:10:50.819-07:002010-10-20T07:10:50.819-07:00And you belief in that is based on things like the...And you belief in that is based on things like the Shroud of Turin as in someone else telling you something, you getting emotionally worked up over it and wanting to believe it. When it's the truth that they are telling you, that's fine but when it's a fraud, it's not fine. It uses lies to sell something. Anything real doesn't need lies as part of the package. And this shroud is most likely a total fabrication-- pardon the pun!Rain Trueaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994628226501093880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918248.post-87776071905952308922010-10-20T06:44:48.926-07:002010-10-20T06:44:48.926-07:00A fraud ? What matters is Jesus' message-that ...A fraud ? What matters is Jesus' message-that is real and alive ! :-)Paulhttp://SHadowofDiogenes.blogs.com/shadow/noreply@blogger.com